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Up, and with Sir W. Batten and Sir W. Pen to White Hall ; but there finding the Duke gone to his lodgings at St. First, of our own loss of two ships, the Phoenix and Nonesuch , in the Bay of Gibraltar: Two of our ships were disabled, by the Dutch unfortunately falling against their will against them; the Advice , Captain W. Poole , and Antelope , Captain Clerke: The Dutch men-of-war did little service.

Captain Allen did receive many shots at distance before he would fire one gun, which he did not do till he come within pistol-shot of his enemy. The Spaniards on shore at Cales did stand laughing at the Dutch, to see them run away and flee to the shore, 34 or thereabouts, against eight Englishmen at most.

I do purpose to get the whole relation, if I live, of Captain Allen himself. In our loss of the two ships in the Bay of Gibraltar, it is observable how the world do comment upon the misfortune of Captain Moone of the Nonesuch who did lose, in the same manner, the Satisfaction , as a person that hath ill-luck attending him; without considering that the whole fleete was ashore. Captain Allen led the way, and Captain Allen himself writes that all the masters of the fleete, old and young, were mistaken, and did carry their ships aground.


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But I think I heard the Duke say that Moone, being put into the Oxford , had in this conflict regained his credit, by sinking one and taking another. Captain Seale of the Milford hath done his part very well, in boarding the King Salamon , which held out half an hour after she was boarded; and his men kept her an hour after they did master her, and then she sunk, and drowned about 17 of her men.

So home to supper and to bed.

But I think I heard the Duke say that Moone, being put into the Oxford, had in this conflict regained his credit, by sinking one and taking another. Ill-luck indeed, to be immortalized in the Diary of Samuel Pepys for something that was not his fault? The first mention of the warship Nonsuch in the Allin Journals is on the 24th of September at Cadiz, and in a footnote Anderson puts the Captain as Nicholas Parker. On the 2nd of December Allin describes the events that saw the Nonsuch and the Phoenix meet their fate. The first mention of Captain Mohun in the Oxford is on the 19th December, the day of the attack on the Smyrna fleet Anderson adds a footnote concerning Mohun in the Oxford The last mention of this ship was on the 2nd of October.

Probably she had come from Malaga with the English convoy. Dutch accounts say there were two English men-of-war there when they arrived and that the English merchantmen sailed at the same time as the Dutch. His conscience must really be bothering him, judging by the amount of totally unnecessary French he inserts in this entry. Sam is drooling, he has to find the girls, but he has to follow his business for a month, but he can't stand it, faster and faster his whirligig goes.

She has to know by intuition, but she has the title "Mrs, Pepys", she has the fine clothes and servants, and silver plate and money piling up on every side, while not ten years ago he weren't nothin but a pricklouse. For the moment, she will let him have have his leash loose. Sam has to keep pursuing the girls, they are beautiful, he can't stop. I use the present tense rather than the past tense because Sam and Elizabeth are real to me.

Bagwell waiting at the office after dinner, away she and I to a cabaret where she and I have eat before, and there I had her company all and had my pleasure of her. But strange to see how a woman, notwithstanding her greatest pretences of love of her husband and religion, may be overcome. So I back again and to my office, where I did with great content make a vow to mind my business, and let go of women for a month. In any case the translation is "he got lucky, he had a strike out and he made a vow that we know he won't keep" I wonder why the Stuarts were such poor breeders.


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  • Anne Hyde, the "Duchesse" whose only two children to live to adulthood produced no children who lived to adulthood despite poor Queen Anne enduring about 12 pregnancies of her own. I had another question: Looking at the description of Sam's dalliance with Mrs. Bagwell at "a cabaret where she and I have eat before," I was reminded of all the other "public" places where he's done similar dirty deeds. It then occurred to me that Sam can't be the only one getting his jollies at these establishments.

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    But presumably they were indeed public places, so what gives? How was this possible? Ann Hyde, wife of the Duke of York had 6 children in 11 years and only the 2 daughters Anne and Mary lived. Mary of Modena second wife of the Duke of York had been pregnant 8 times before she became queen. After that she finally gave birth to a son, who would never make it to the throne. After that she never became pregnant again and no reason is noted for that.

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    He also talks of how awful her emotional state must have been and notes that her faith must have been the only thing to maintain her ie. He disputes causes set forth in the past by others syphilis, deformed pelvis. He looks at the pattern of her carries and miscarries and offers 3 explanations, which include Rhesus disease, diabetes or an intra-uterine growth retardation due to placental insufficiency.

    He tends to lean towards the last as the most logical, as either a poorly formed placenta or a lack of oxygen to the placenta could cause fetuses to die in utero before birth, or be born very small with a serious risk of dying in the first few days or weeks of life.

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    This seems the most consistent with her pattern from his perspective. In any case, she must have suffered greatly and the Stuart line ended.

    This is just idle speculation on my part, but I have wondered for a while if, when Sam shifts into 'Casanova Mode,' he employs this pidgin French of his on these women as a way of impressing them. Then these brief outbreaks of French in the diary make a bit of sense: Most inns or taverns were converted residences with rooms. Many of these, I imagine, had places where a couple could chat in private.

    I imagine certain ones would have been more amenable to this than others. Ah, Cape Henry, have you been drinking in the same bars as I? This presumption would make so much sense. I'm a little worried however that Sam has sworn off women for a whole month - maybe he has a conscience afterall. The loss of children in the past was something that was certainly considered to be "God's Will", and today it is considered a great tragedy as it happens so privately and very rarely talked about. I would think that in the past women had a different mindset about children both birthing and rearing to today's mothers, but underneath it all I'm sure they grieved just as we do today.

    I myself had 5 pregnancies and 2 live births.

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    Thank you Jeannine for your excellent summary of the dire obstetric histories of some Royal wives. Just to add to this: Todd raised the point of "inbreeding" - whilst not technically that cousin marriage is legal , Mary Hyde did marry her first cousin: The numerous pregnancies which some of these women had with scarce a gap between was perhaps due to the practice of wet nursing, so the partial birth control of suckling did not take effect.

    Lucy Hutchinson from The Other Side in the CW was ridiculed amongst fellow aristo wives for breastfeeding her own children. For information on Henrietta maria's children note how frequent were her early pregnancies see http: That the Words "in the Seas" be inserted, instead of "of the Seas. Literally 'let women go.. Today his vow is to abstain for a month. These days he is much more cynical and manipulative with regards to women and acquiring wealth.

    One reason for the change which Sam hints at occasionally might be his attitude to, and personal concern about death. It's not exactly an optimistic statement. In the last six months Sam has also made some comments about the transience of life and reputation. It might be going too far to say that Sam had an existential crisis in this period but there does seem to have been a transition or realignment. To speculate a bit further, perhaps Sam justified his behaviour to himself by arguing that he was working his butt off to provide for Liz after he was gone, so he was entitled to a good time once in a while.

    Jame's for Altogether, his Duchesse being ready to lie-in,.. Allin had eight men of war; the Dutch 30 merchantmen and three warships. This was the action of 19 December. The oath seems to have been renewed on 23 February his birthday and may be the oath which expired on 15 May.. Death seen around us has a profound effect in many. The instinct of preservation of life gives way to an explosion of sex drives, that not all can control.

    Luckier than Sam I have obtained the Journals edited by Anderson, that may be of interest in the future. They also included many things of interest from onwards. I have added a few to the back entries and would be interested to know if they are of interest to others, in which case I will continue to put them in.

    Australian Susan, as my beloved bubbie used to say, of one of her farm residents, "He always brays to let you know he's there. Oh, drat, Companion Large Glossary says it just means "tavern," banishing all sorts of delightful anachronistic images. Place your bets now on how long les femmes will laisseront aller by Sammore like laisser-faire, and prendent garde, sans doute! OED gives this as meaning 'a wooden dwelling, booth, shed' when it first appears in English and hypothesizes that it may have been formed from 'cabanet' either in error or on account of the connexion between taberna and tavern.

    Ill luck also for Captain Parker! In a later footnote around the start of November , Anderson says that Bacon had been the Lieutenant on the Plymouth and replaced Parker as Captain in the Nonsuch. Cape, I agree on both counts your speculation about Sam's Francaise, and the benefits of this forum's format. Bryan, Jeannine, Aussie Sue, Pedro Gotta love this site. It is not clear whether Sam is getting this information at first hand, as it differs in some ways to Journal of Allin where there is a detailed account covering two pages. Allin says that in the morning of the 19th that they saw a dozen to 14 sail which proved the Holland fleet, and matching English Captains and ships mentioned comes to He does not give the number of Dutch warships, but there must have been less than the English, or the impression that the Dutch men-of-war did little service.

    I can't believe it, 33 annotations. I love the old sea dogs coming in to tell us of the maritime part. I have to tag up before I get called for being off topic. Samuel Pepys, there, he was a dawg, rutting with every poor starving female he could find. There you are, all tagged up. All these references to seafaring and astronomy are so cool.

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